His point about investing in the pricier, good quality product instead of periodically paying for the cheaper, bad quality product, only makes sense if you have a guarantee the pricier product actually have a good quality. And that’s not the only thing that matters. Companies like Malus claim to have better quality and we can debate that all day, but what’s undeniable is their anti-repair stance. That means you can have a problem with their product and have to buy a new one anyway because it can’t be repaired.
I actually agree, it was one small problem I had with the video, he portrays the Boots theory of socio-economic unfairness as a basic “buy once cry once” thing, when really it’s about how being poor is expensive. It doesn’t matter if over the course of 5 years it makes sense to pay 4 times the cost for a product that lasts 5 times longer, it’s that poor people can’t afford a 4x cost product. Most people understand that quality stuff lasts longer, but it doesn’t matter if you can’t pay it and you need boots.
That and there have been companies that had good product, but then got bought out. Only afterwards, they reduce product quality to the point of being some of the worst on the market.
These vulture capitalists are hoping that the brand recognition of what was once a good product keeps the company afloat long enough for them to rot away and consume the company from the inside.
Fucking A. Printers back in the days used to just print and had refillable ink cartridges. Some expensive ones are still chugging. My dad has one from the 90s that still fucking works. The new one we got cries about colour missing when trying to print a black n white page 😩
People on Lemmy sure are just pissed off all the time huh? This is an interesting project at the very least and highlights just how difficult it is to truly make something in America, and does a decent job of explaining why it’s bad that it’s that difficult. Y’all need to just chill.
Constant purity testing, and invalidating everything someone says because you disagree on a couple issues 💀
I haven’t forgotten Destin trying to push his creationist agenda using his YouTube platform. He makes a lot of good content, but after that I don’t want to watch his stuff anymore. Fuck him for doing something like that.
When did he do that?
And, if someone has a sincerely held moral belief and they honestly believe other people’s lives would be made better if they heard it, then how is is not morally good from their perspective?
He can believe what he wants in his personal time. He can even use his platform to spread his beliefs. However being all about science and then pushing some weird agenda is a whole other thing. He betrayed the trust, so I choose not to watch his stuff anymore.
It was this video: https://youtu.be/VPSm9gJkPxU
When this video went up it caused quite a fuss online as Destin seems to heavily push an old debunked intelligent design narrative around flagella.
He literally says that there’s a lot of good research being done trying to find the evolutionary mechanism. Nowhere that I saw at least did he push creationism, other than mentioning that the concept exists, and that he believes in god.
Well, I don’t think it’s worth repeating the debate again. You can go back and look at what was posted back when it came out.
But he tells a very one sided story and keeps telling to keep an open mind. He presents this thing as if it’s totally unique and amazing, where there are very similar structures in nature out there. He also heavily focuses on the idea of it being a motor in the way that a human designed motor works, giving the same names to parts which are kind of similar on a surface level but really aren’t. He also repeats all of the bible thumper talking points around this subject, as if it’s a mystery nobody can explain and couldn’t have come to be without some kind of intelligent design at the helm. But the reality is, this is not representing the reality at all. This whole flagella thing was an exercise of goal post moving in the first place. The ID people kept pointing out weird things and missing links. Then when science explained exactly how that thing came to be, without ID involved, they just pointed to the next thing at one point ending up at flagella.
There is a whole Wikipedia page talking about how flagella evolved and how it came to be. The intelligent design people have been shouting about this for 3 decades now and there is so much info out there to find about how this came to be. If Destin wanted to approach this from a scientific standpoint, he would focus on that information, instead of presenting it like some kind of mystery we are still figuring it out today. And not keep telling people to have an open mind and how he can’t figure it out. He could have even gone into why people might think it was ID and then explain the science why it is not. Something other online science communicators often do, give people the points they have been hearing from the “wrong” side and then go into those points and explain them.
Basically the whole subject itself is very hard to present without going into the whole ID versus evolution standpoint and the way he represented it was straight out of the ID playbook. And keep in mind all of this was thoroughly debunked back 20 years ago. Him bringing this up now is inexcusable.
I’m not even sure there is research still being done on this, the research was done decades before, there is no mystery.
He also repeats all of the bible thumper talking points around this subject, as if it’s a mystery nobody can explain and couldn’t have come to be without some kind of intelligent design at the helm.
He literally does not say that though, he says there’s a lot of research into it and encourages people to read it.
This whole flagella thing was an exercise of goal post moving in the first place. The ID people kept pointing out weird things and missing links. Then when science explained exactly how that thing came to be, without ID involved, they just pointed to the next thing at one point ending up at flagella.
Yeah I agree, but I also think that you can’t exactly blame someone else who was uninvolved with the initial argument for arguing a different thing at a different time. If one person criticizes a politician for not providing enough social services and another separate person complains about taxes that’s not moving goal posts, those are just two different people.
There is a whole Wikipedia page talking about how flagella evolved and how it came to be.
Yes, but, did you read it? Its not exactly too resoundingly confident in any one theory.
And keep in mind all of this was thoroughly debunked back 20 years ago.
All of what? It is true that the flagella isn’t unique if that’s what you mean.
I’m not even sure there is research still being done on this, the research was done decades before, there is no mystery.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/mmi.14658
Here’s a relatively recent study that says basically what the wikipedia says:
Homing in on the T3SS, the exact evolutionary relation between injectisomes and flagella1 is debated. Phylogenetic analyses and functional arguments led to two models: (a) The evolution of modern flagella and injectisomes from a common ancestral protein export machinery (Gophna et al., 2003; Pallen and Gophna, 2007), or (b) The evolution of injectisomes from a flagellum-like ancestor (Abby and Rocha, 2012; Denise et al., 2020; Nguyen et al., 2000).
But it also says:
The T3SS is one of the most complex bacterial molecular machines, incorporating one to over a hundred copies of more than 15 different proteins into a multi-MDa transmembrane complex (Table 1). The system, especially the flagellum, has, therefore often been quoted as an example for “irreducible complexity,” based on the argument that the evolution of such a complex system with no beneficial intermediates would be exceedingly unlikely. However, it is now clear that, far from having evolved as independent entities, many secretion systems share components between each other and with other cellular machineries (Egelman, 2010; Pallen and Gophna, 2007).
I ofc am just a layman reading this, I agree it seems better understood that how I interpreted what he was saying, but it also doesn’t seem nearly as well understood as you’re saying.
I’m not going to debate Intelligent Design in 2025, that’s just dumb.
The whole thing boils down to: Just because we don’t fully understand it, doesn’t mean it’s proof of god.
You’re thinking I’m saying something I’m not. And I think that was the case with your interpretation of the video too.
Nothing I’ve said here (or ever said in my life) is pro-intelligent design
What a load of MAGA propaganda. Saying American made products are good quality. Ehm. No, they aren’t. They are usually shit quality and aren’t allowed in Europe because they are dangerous / toxic. It’s overpriced junk.
Also his product looks shit. It’s a combination of hard and soft materials. That means there are several weak points. The metal handle is connected with a single screw in plastic. The plastic will break and the sponge will wear really fast.
American producers need to cut costs, otherwise their already overpriced product will be insanely expensive. In China they have cheap labor, in the US they can only cut costs with cheaper materials and importing from China. When they don’t import, they will have to be creative by using less material and cheaper stuff. Poorly regulated, toxic material for example. Softer metals / plastics. While in China they don’t have to import most of their material, or it comes from neighboring countries. Chinese products are actually of better quality than American ones these days.
I remember buying my first Leatherman, a long time ago. The blade is made of extra hardened steel, it’s impossible to dent it. I recently bought the new flagship Leatherman, for 300 euros. The blade got dented while cutting cardboard. The multitool I bought on aliexpress for 20 euros has a hardened steel blade and doesn’t dent at all.
Now Trump is angry becssue the EU won’t take poor quality American products. Like chicken for example, in Europe American chicken is concidered toxic.
Chinese EV’s have surpassed American EV’s by a long shot now.
The time of Chinese products being shit has passed. It’s a struggle for European companies to compete. The time of American products being shit is now.
The smarter everyday videos do not fit their YouTube name anymore. I used to love his videos but for several years already it has become propaganda junk. He’s just a MAGA hillbilly who thinks he’s super smart.
Youre just as delusional as MAGA people, just the other direction. Please don’t exaggerate and portray someone as way more political than they are, that’s what got us into the Trump mess. Try some empathy
Are you aware he’s a creationist, a republican and a Trump supporter? And this video about producing locally, the thing Trump tries to do with his tariff wars, isn’t political? What got us into this Trump mess is people not seeing the political views in the content they see, believing anything they see and becoming pro Trump as they are constantly being fed MAGA propaganda. You not being able to see what this channel is trying to do is the issue with why fake news is having such an insane success rate.
But who am I, really. I’m only an OSINT analyst specialized in fact checking and analyzing fake news narrative in media and it’s effects on the targeted crowd. See this article I was the leading researcher.
Damn, you really hate anyone and everything conservative. Yes I was aware of all of that. But please tell me you understand the difference between supporting something and being a wild fanatic, or did your OSINT training skip that part. Also, what part of the video was fake? Regardless if you agree with it’s premise or not, Destin was extremely clear and up front with the struggles of this project. I really get the feeling you are just building your own narrative off his video.
I just see through the “innocent facade” and judge the underlying bias. Propaganda these days can be hard to recognize for most people. Some are obvious AF, like Fox News, although loads of people are unable to even see that. Other sources, like Smarter Every Day, have a finesse and innocence built into it making it hard to recognize it has a strong bias foundation, even making you defend it even though I doubt you are MAGA yourself. Fox is for dumb people. Propaganda like Smarter Every Day is to trick people who won’t fall for Fox.
There are news sites with relatively normal news articles. Not much opinions in them, not radical. On the surface it looks like a regular news site. Comparing it’s articles to other news sources and it isn’t much different. Trustworthy news site right?
But when you look at the web address, you see it is registered in Saint Petersburg. There are no ads on the website and there’s no paid subscription plan. What is their source of income? When you check the articles on the website, they are almost all about something negative in the US. The same articles as on US respectable news sites. But only the news pertraying the US in a negative way. All the other articles you see on US news sites which aren’t negativity tinted are missing on this website. But the articles there are rather solid.
This is an example of very subtle propaganda. It’s not in the extreme form like with Fox News. It’s in the absence of anything unfavorable to their naritive, which gives a certain view on the US in general.
It’s like the review system on Amazon. When a product has 100 reviews, with 95 five star reviews and 5 is one star reviews. Pretty decent product, right? But when you only show the 5 one star reviews, the product looks like shit.
With Smarter Every Day it works somewhat similar. He scetches a scenario which is favorable to the Trump naritive, but leaves out a lot of other factors which are unfavorable, yet very real. With in the end the effect of people like you defending him and his naritive he tries to push.
Not all propaganda is obvious AF and focused on conspiracy loonies. There’s all different kinds of propaganda tailored for everyone.
I think you’re missing the point of the video.
The video looks like it’s meant to highlight the US being reliant on other countries when that used to not be the case.
Die and tooling jobs were once more prevalent in the US, now it’s very hard to come by which makes us much more reliant on foreign countries like China.
Yeah, it’s called trade. Trade is good for the economy. Every economist will tell you that. But feel free to follow Trump, who says the economy will be better when everything is made in the US.
We all rely on each other. International trade has never been on a larger scale as it is right now. You can’t have a complete production line in a single country. Like Nintendo said, it would cost billions to set up their entire production line of the swith 2 in the US, and even when they would try it would be impossible to do it a 100%. Resources come from all over the world. Rare earth metals are being imported into Taiwan, chips are being produced which are being imported into Japan. The chip machines are made in the Netherlands, which buys its resources from other European countries, the US, Asian countries like China. This is the entire process just to produce a chip. There’s an entire different international production line for just the screens, as well as all the other parts.
Back in the days you needed copper for wiring and plastics to mold, and you basically had a rotary phone. Easy to produce in a single country. Not comparable to phones these days. Trading was expensive back then. These days trading is cheap. Beleving everything needs to be made in the US using US raw resources is completely dillusional. Like Trump.
Even for simple products like a grill scraper, the most economically efficient way is to use the international market. It might not feel nice to be reliant on other countries, especially when you start trade wars with everyone and make everyone your enemy. Look at Russia, and the European reliance on them with gass, oil and rare earth metals. Even now we buy Russian stuff, even though we don’t want to. The alternative is to destroy our economy, like the US is doing right now. It isn’t fun, but it’s the reality. We slowly need to find substitutes. For that we can’t just say we will do it ourselves, we need to look for new sources elsewhere.
The world isn’t as simple as it was the 19th and early 20th century. You can’t compare it to our current economy, products and lifestyles.
I’m not saying make all things here, I didn’t even say that in my last comment… Nor do I agree with Trump overall, basically nothing.
Do you ever make your own food at home? By your reasoning, commerce and trade is good, never make food at home again. Never learn a skill, call an electrician, HVAC, or plumber. Never learn to fix your own things or solve your own problems if there is someone out there who can do it instead.
Hey it’s me a tool and die maker.
I can say at least that my company and the larger manufacturers in my town are spending enormous sums of cash getting students in to the trades. It’s not just tool and die that’s suffering, most of the “skilled” trades are bordering on geriatric.
A lot of the kids entering the trades are farm kids, which is another problem entirely. The average age of farmers in the US is close to retirement too.
I feel like to get a lot of young people into it, it doesn’t just need pay, but also some of the comforts of other jobs. As in: if I can work from home vs going into a workshop from 9-5 5 days a week, even if I’d be paid more I’d prefer to work from home. Other jobs can offer perks like that, but for a lot of manufacturing jobs that’s clearly not an option- so many reduced working hours/days would work. But I think when there’s already a shortage on employees, companies don’t want to also cut down on the hours they’re working.
That’s kind of a pipe dream.
The reality of manufacturing is that unless people are physically in the building, the business isn’t making money. Tool and die is largely a support role. We’re not just making the tooling, we’re making sure the press is still running all day.
That means that if the machine is running, we have to be here. The machine has to run frequently to make sense. They’re simply aren’t enough people for a 4 shift rotation, which is what we’d need to have reduced hours. We struggle to fill 2. Right now we’re running 3 maintenance shifts and 2 production, and that’s more than most manufacturers near me can handle. The labor just isn’t there. We’ve tried 4x10 shifts and that’s difficult to sell to 2nd and 3rd shifters. About half of first shift couldn’t make it work. But it didn’t really matter, ultimately.
The reality is that most of the building is working 5 ten hour shifts and a 6 hour Saturday for the foreseeable future. Could we attract young people with fewer hours? Maybe. It’s manufacturing and it’s a hard sell regardless. I love my job, I work with a lot of people who love their jobs, and that includes guys on the floor who do little more than plug parts in to machines. It can be immensely satisfying work, but it’s hard, dirty, and loud. Ask 50 teenagers if they’d rather stand next to a punch press every day or throw burgers out of windows through college, 49 are gonna throw burgers.
Sounds like people need to take an interest and the only way to do that is make them happy or make them money. Paying more will put bodies at stations and make them want to be on-site for as long as they get paid. The rest is people management.
You could offer more money, better benefits, better/shorter hours, vacation time, parental leave etc. I’ve heard young people are really motivated by all of those things
This feels like “we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas”
Also one out of 50 across a population is more than enough young people, they’re not working for you because you’re not making it worth their
Watched the video yesterday. I think it does a good job at describing the reality, and it’s consequences.
The causes and solutions are left as an exercise for the reader
I think not going into that a little bit, like “education will be a key component to this industry’s survival and success” is a missed opportunity because that is also the reality. Reality includes causes, this didn’t happen in a vacuum.
As for solutions, beyond advocating for education and endorsing unions or something else equally broad, no he’s definitely not obligated to go into that
