My bad, I missed the .uk instead of .org

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I know you are joking but somehow I don’t think a Nazi style eugenics program is the solution.

No I don’t think so either, this type of random ban is kind of their MO though. Maybe we need a YBP category for You’ve Been Pranked? :p

The whole purpose (or at least the stated purpose, but that would mean that the creator lied) was to create a community “free of censorship”

I don’t think that was the intent at all. What the mod of the new Europe community objects to is the censorship by feddit mods of anything critical of Israel or critical of Zionism.

Fact is we aren’t a “free speech” instance and have never claimed to be. The community rules are in fact very clear that Zionism isn’t allowed (see below). Anyone who want to go whine about how the leftists at dbzer0 are all terrorist Hamas supporters because we want to stop Israel from starving children to death can go join the circle jerk over at feddit I guess.

2. No Zionism

Any forms of Zionism or Zionist rhetoric will not be tolerated here, this includes Zionist apologia, accusations of antisemitism towards anti-Zionists, or blatant denial or downplaying of the genocide towards Palestinians. Any attempt to uphold or prop up the IHRA definition of antisemitism, will be treated as Zionism. Anyone engaging in Pro-Zionist sentiment or apologia will be actioned in accordance with its severity.

Now the dust has settled and I’ve seen both sides presented, i’m gonna say YDI on this one. The whole purpose of that community was in response to the Zionist position of feddit mods, so of course they are gonna ban Zionists.

Seems those folks aren’t above trolling with throwaway accounts either. I had to remove a lot of nasty transphobic comments from this post, which might give a clue as to the character of some of the folks who are being banned. Not suggesting they came from OP btw.

You called it.

You can’t expect ppl to be sober and moderate content lol.

I don’t think that’s true tbh. The Dems have never managed to nominate a popular woman as their presidential candidate before. Clinton was almost universally disliked by the public (for lots of good reasons other than her gender), and ex-prosecutor Harris’s campaign was hamstrung by Biden, as well as being seen as an other pro-corporate Democrat stooge. AOC might actually have a fighting chance compared to her predecessors. But she’ll never be able to be the Democratic candidate until the old guard of leadership is replaced, let’s face facts.

You can edit the post to remove the NSFW tag. I can’t do it for you unfortunately.

Correct but German’s don’t understand the concept of civil disobedience (not that i expect them to violate their laws but you get the idea now how we got WW2 atrocities)

I don’t think it’s just a German thing.

• Liberal perspective: our legal system may be imperfect but its important to always follow the law, because otherwise it will lead to anarchy. A good citizen always upholds the law.
• Leftist perspective: this law is fucked up and we will do everything we can to resist and refuse compliance, even if that requires being brave. A good person never complies with unjust laws.

BPR/YDI. The fact you are doubling down on the shit stirring here confirms it was the right call by both mods/admins.

The law is an ass if you can’t even make a comment to clarify the difference between anti-zionism and anti-semitism. Why even host it in a country that has such restrictions?

Wow these are awesome!

You need to put those slurs behind a racism content warning.

The Luddites had no beef with the machines – their cause was the social relations that governed those machines

Agreed, and I have no beef with the Luddites. I’m fully supportive of the effort to hold commercial AI corporations accountable for the way they are enabling owners of capital to exploit AI to cause harm to artists and other workers. But if the anti-GenAI crowd followed the example of the Luddites, they shouldn’t be blaming the tooling. If they went after those who create and/or use the tooling to exploit people, rather than attacking those who use the tools (especially for a positive or harmless purpose) then I’d be fully supportive of that goal. Instead they are too busy cyber-bullying fellow Lemmy users and mods.

I get your point but I’d like to be able to be able to push back against this type of behaviour at an instance level if required, without the anti GenAI crowd complaining about there not being a specific instance level rule against it. I think I’m in favour of generalizing the rule though as suggested by other commenters, so that it covers things like anti-piracy activism in c/piracy too, for example. Some communities are intended for debate, and others are just communities of shared interests where folks want to learn and hang out, but not be dogpiled with hateful comments attacking their interests. And lastly, GenAI is a core founding theme of our instance, so it makes sense (to me) to make the rule instance level as well.

I’d encourage you to read the experience of one of our mods in this post to better understand the impact of this type of behaviour on our mods and users: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43560521. It’s by no means a victimless activity. We aren’t proposing to ban discussion about AI. If someone wants to make a post in an appropriate community like the /0 main community about our GenAI policy then that is totally fine. But dogpiling the comments of posts in a community that doesn’t prohibit GenAI is just trolling imo.

I’m not sure about that one but feel free to community ban them if they have been downvoting a lot. I instanced banned the (almost) empty account you mentioned. Fuck those guys. I hope you can feel free to reach out to me or one of the other admins if you get cyberbullied and you need someone to disclose to.

Yeah, thanks for the heads up. I’ve proposed in [email protected] to update the instance rules to disallow anti-genAI trolling in communities where genAI is allowed. They can take their pro-copyright-rentseeking campaign elsewhere. Don’t know why they thought it would fly here.

I’ve got no real problem with folks taking that position tbh, but it’s not ok to dogpile posts on our communities like has happened here. I’m also somewhat sympathetic to the argument that GenAI is having an impact on artists’ livelihoods. But they haven’t connected the dots that this is only an issue because of greedy corporations trying to fuck over artists. They are directing all their anger towards GenAI instead of the real source of the problem. By all means advocate for greedy corporations to stop using AI to increase their profits at the expense of artists. But to come into a leftist space and demand that we stop using AI too is at best tokenistic, and at worst just serves to obfuscate the fundamental problem.

The users engaged in trolling here and tying to excuse it as “activism” should think harder about who they are fighting with and why. Even if we did capitulate and ban genAI, that would have zero impact on artists, because we don’t pay for artists in the first place. It’s nothing but virtue signalling and tokenism. The Luddites didn’t go around breaking into peoples houses and smashing their spinning wheels. They went to factories owned by rich men and companies to destroy machinery in order to disrupt production and fight for workers rights and safety. Good on them too! If the anti genAI brigade were fighting against Getty’s (or Adobe, etc.) use of AI that might actually have a useful leftist purpose, and the analogy with the Luddites would work. Instead they are here causing a nuisance in a leftist community, over some random crossposted GenAI meme. Good work guys - job done I guess, the capitalists must be quaking in their boots right now because of your “activism”.