Can’t be the party of wall st and the party of workers, at best you can pay lip service to one or the other, its no wonder which they would choose

There’s some of it in the comments of this post

Make sure to keep blaming “rednecks” and “hillbillies”, and not the billionaire backers of MAGA who own various media outlets and some of the largest companies in the world.

Thanks for your input. I believe the Uncommitted movement was originally a movement to pressure Dems in the primaries, and I think that the result of that movement was that they couldn’t be moved left, at least not on the issue of Israel who is carrying out a genocide. So there were a lot of people who made the same political calculation as you did. This time, it didn’t seem to work. I am opposed to the idea that the mainstream of the dems even can be moved left, but I know a lot of people who hold out hope, and are showing up to try and make that happen.

There’s probably a lot that can be accomplished locally, to a certain extent. And while I remain skeptical I’m not going to like brow beat or sabotage someone who disagrees with me (unlike the democrats.) But to me, the dems represent the same class interests as the republicans, just maybe a different faction of that class. But I agree that we live in a real world with real existing social forces, and if we want to change things then we have to deal with the world as it is, not as we want it to be. The actual left doesn’t have the resources to deny reality like the republicans, and many democrats; we have to deal in hard and fast truths.

So I guess my strategy is to organize who I can on the far left, while others (like you maybe) organize on the center- left, and when things get bad enough that the mainstream of the democrats can no longer abide any positions to the left of Chuck Schumer, then you and I can come together to create that third party I hope for.

We call this the “dirty break” strategy, where we prepare for a split from the dems but in the mean time work within the existing framework to fight against the worst abuses of maga and the billionaire class, while trying to achieve progressive gains for workers

I was talking about James Carville

just showing up

If you convince people the only thing they can do to oppose fascism is vote every 4 years, a position that is historically and objectively false – fascists don’t care about democracy – then dont act shocked when their mobilization is underwhelming.

Democratic party leaders were instructing volunteers to remove anyone from their lists who mentioned the Palestinian Genocide. They were intentionally not mobilizing the exact people you want to just mobilize.

Also, have you ever tried to mobilize a group to do political action? It ain’t easy, even when you aren’t tying your own hands behind your back

I’m not trying to undersell the threat of fascism, what is coming is scary and many people are already being harmed by these disgusting policies. But the most important thing I hope to stress is that it doesn’t matter what you call it, it matters what you do to fight it.

You’d think I was trolling for how many down votes I got. It just goes to show that in the times we live, nothing is more controversial than the truth.

Also people get so upset when you tell them that politics is practical and not ideological. The bourgeois liberal mind can’t comprehend

That’s not the logic behind my statements, however logic has a beginning, middle and an end. It leads somewhere. Just letting you all know where a version of this logic leads, and it is the logic of the mainstream dems. I’m not able to articulate the whole case, but I can point to a case study.

You don’t have a monopoly on logic. In fact I guarantee you that I have studied more formal logic than most. The dems abandoned us years ago. I can’t say your logic is incorrect as you also haven’t described yours. You may be horrified to learn that we mostly agree, most likely.

But this goon represents exactly what is wrong with the dems: career political operators whose personal wealth is directly connected to their ability to run elections, and who have no incentive to win. In fact I could almost guarantee that your logic, or the logic of most regular working people, would be more sound than his. The incentives for dems are broken, the party is broken, time to move on and form a workers party. It’s time for a new logic that abandons these sickos who aren’t even that different from the republicans they pretend to oppose.

This guy was screaming and yelling about how Trump was a fascist, and if you didn’t vote democrat then that was equivalent to doing nothing in the face of fascism, or worse.

Not saying there aren’t elements of fash in trumps admin, there obviously are; or that abstaining to vote was the correct strategy, I don’t believe it was, though uncommitteds and 3rd party voters shouldn’t be shamed for following their conscience

Just want to point out where these arguments actually originate, and where exactly they have lead. Maybe there is more to politics than handwringing and rending of garments about impending fascism – maybe politics is something you do and not something you think or, god forbid, repeat uncritically.

Sounds kinda tain

Seriously. The judge is worried about the political fallout of doing anything as drastic as like, his job. It could be a real political rallying point, if a judge gets retaliated against. But that might make it hard for the judge to maintain his current lifestyle, and so we just make more concessions to the group committed to destroying even the illusory veil of justice and freedom.

Absolutely feckless and cowardly

Neat! Thanks!

I guess because of perspective, Mercury being millions of miles closer to the camera than it is to the sun, the actual proportions would have the planet being much smaller by comparison

“Machines were the weapons deployed by the capitalists to quell the revolt of specialized labor”

I’ve said it before, all ceos could be replaced by mascots and it would have no negative effect on the productive capabilities of our society. On the contrary things might actually improve for once in my life

What do you mean “adapting” he has never done anything but Leach off the govt. Tesla isn’t so much a car company as it is a carbon credits company that sells govt carbon credits to other car manufacturers. Other than that, SpaceX is basically fully funded by fed contracts and boring by state and municipal contracts.

Like the idea that he is even a decent businessman is a wild exaggeration. He’s been gaming the system and leaching off the taxpayers from the jump

Republican understanding of elections

He is very unlikeable, but for a lot of people the cruelty a politician is capable of is a big part of the appeal. Won’t make him popular with the masses necessarily, but we can be tricked.

But yeah bringing out Vance early in such a high profile way will probably have the effect of making him look better down the road when the stakes are higher. All that couch-fucker stuff, his history of pro choice comments, they knew it would come out so its better to get it out now than later, when he’s already become part of the “establishment” of the right. No halfway career conscious editor is going to publish old news like that. And then a little more consent is purchased, not as the result of some widespread conspiracy but as the result of a system of incentives and disincentives that generate the kind of irrational self interest that is the only discernable political project of any kind on the right, maybe in the american political system as a whole, though I’m sure that would be taking the point too far.

There are actually powerful interests that like Vance, maybe more than Trump. Vance is a long term prospect for the moment, I think. Trumps admin likes to stir shit up over here, while building power and planning long term over there. I think historically Trump himself was a barrier to this kind of planning, but it seems like he’s gotten with the program this time around.

I doubt we’ve seen the last of Vance, in all the worst ways imaginable.

Laying low so as not to take as much heat for all this as Musk, so that when Trump is done Vance can be boosted as a more moderate alternative to Trump and Musk’s extreme measures, even though Vance would be just as bad, if not worse. But if they can keep heat off him in this cycle, it will be better especially when things reach the breaking point and people want heads (but still want to vote republican.)