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Introverted, yet I enjoy discussion to a fault.

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  • Wine can’t properly access USB devices, so even if you got iTunes installed, it wouldn’t work.

    I’m sceptical that a VM is out of the question, one should run on almost anything, though not necessarily perform well. I would give it an attempt, if you didn’t already.

    Still, it might be simplest to set up a windows install with itunes on a usb, or second partition, and boot into windows only when you need to.







  • Yes, exactly. Getting it repaired (both within and outside of warranty) and spare parts availability.

    What do you mean, “exactly”? The vast majority of owners will not need to repair theirs, and the vast majority of units will outlive their owners interest in using them. You’re assuming you’ll be one of the exceptions, which is always a possibility, but you can’t factor it in as if it’s a 100% chance.

    Software eventually too, but usually that takes a while longer.

    What do you mean? It’s an x86 PC. The same way I can grab a 15-year-old laptop and slap a linux distro on it, the same thing is possible with the Deck.

    Would you have bought a Steam Deck if Valve would stop producing them after 3 years? I wouldn’t.

    I would and I did. In fact every person who has bought one before today, technically did. That’s a million points of contest against the argument you’re trying to make with this. Are you seeing the catch 22 you’re asking your tech to adhere to?

    I’d have bought a Deck even if it only lasted a few months, because I got one two months after launch on pre-reservation.

    And why not? It’s a great device that is worth the price of admission, as-is. It runs games right now that I will still want to play years from now, and is durable enough to last that long. I do not need valve to make several million more, and to keep doing so for several years, for my unit to somehow become worth owning. It is worth that all on its own.

    I get wanting companies to do hardware better, but the level of the standard you are claiming you want here, is absurd. The Decks potential for longevity is above and beyond almost any other hardware product in the tech industry right now, with the exception of the framework laptops.

    My one unit has given me three years and hundreds of hours of gaming away from home, and will likely give several hundred more before it stops working. When it does, there are a variety of possibilities to get it back to working.

    If it had stopped working within warranty, I’d either have gotten a new unit, or my money back. There is no gamble there.


  • Again, what do you mean “continued”?

    The only impact the discontinuation of those devices had on the people who bought them, is that they can’t buy another. Aside from that, they still work. You’re talking as if the end of sale has some kind of significant impact that makes owning the product less worth it, or like the device ceases to exist on that day. But you clearly know otherwise.

    If the Deck stops being sold tomorrow, that has zero impact on the one I already have, save for the possible decline in spare parts available.

    There are lots of reasons to wait to buy something, but “they might stop selling them” seems more like a reason to get something you want to have sooner, rather than later. So that when sales stop, you have one you can keep.


  • Fair enough. But that only further confuses me on how you came to the conclusion you did.

    Surely it’s enough for a given product to either be worth the price one pays at the time of purchase, or not be. Judge a product for what it is, not what it will be. And in Valves case they’ve shown they won’t arbitrarily take that away at some later date. Your only complaint then seems to be that they don’t always add value with time.

    We almost certainly are getting a second controller, but that will in no way take away, nor improve, the value that people who bought and still use the first one got and get out of it.


  • I can’t really agree with that assesment of Valves past hardware.

    Steam Machines were DOA, and anyone that actually bought one from one of the manufacturers likely got one that came with windows installed, because valve delayed the controller and software for so long the manufacturers pivoted to putting windows on them to be able to start selling the inventory. That meant very few that actually run SteamOS made it into the wild, most of them getting sold as just console-sized windows PCs.

    And if you still have one, it’s just a PC. You can slap Bazzite or Windows on it and it’ll work just fine even today.

    Both steam controller and link continue to get software support, and also function to this day. Valve stopped manufacturing and selling them, but support has not stopped.

    No matter how you look at it, buying valve hardware has meant that even as it ages, they make sure it doesn’t turn into a brick, or even have its usefulness compromised.

    Same goes for the Deck, Valve couldn’t brick the thing if they tried. When you buy one, you will still have what came in the box ten years from now.