cross-posted from: https://ani.social/post/20667086
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They reference rule 2. There is no bigotry or harassment in this comment.
cross-posted from: https://ani.social/post/20667086
This is a screenshot of comment getting removed from https://lemmy.world/post/36538255
They reference rule 2. There is no bigotry or harassment in this comment.
Rule 2 also calls on civility, which I think is important here, because your comment (in context) comes off as a troll looking to start something.
I probably would have removed it too, but would have explained why it was inappropriate (in several ways).
YDI.
This was my mod action. Rule 2 is also about hard-line stances. This is the first time I’ve ever moderated for that reason, but it fit.
I question your reading of that rule:
It seemed civil enough.
It read like ragebait to me.
Further reading of OPs comments showcase a hatred of “the left”, including assigning “the left” to right wing religious groups.
Maybe your trigger is sensitive: in objective, dispassionate terms, can you articulate or point out the incivility: the harassment, bigotry, abusive language, antipathy?
I guess I don’t go reading through user histories looking to evaluate users. I evaluate the comment in front of me.
Even the left “hates the left”: we’re a disagreeable bunch. Seems your judgement is based on bias. Unless you can define troll, I could imagine anything you object to qualifying: I partly left reddit to get away from such moderation lacking integrity.
With zero reason to do so, they brought up a hardline stance against “the left” in a thread about racists and a game about Africans.
Harassment, bigotry, and abusive language don’t come into play.
I evaluate context. A well meaning user can often be misinterpreted. I generally don’t act on any community I mod without evaluating context for the comment as well. It could be poor phrasing due to English being a second language or a variety of other issues.
Context is always important.
It seems youre trying to decide how I evaluate things for me, as well as then trying to paint me (not the mod in this case) as lacking integrity.
I’m not interested.
For the record, I would consider that sort of commentary in line with ragebait, as you have phrased things in a way to get a rise out of someone. Alone, not worthy of removal, but perhaps a comment to point out the antagonistic nature of your comment does not lend itself to constructive discussion.
Edit: Wrong part of paste cut out on the first section.
You say “context matters,” yet you frame my comments as if I only criticized the left, while ignoring that I explicitly voiced opposition to both the right and the left. Just days before this thread, I did the same in YouTube comments on videos that were trying to cancel the game in question.
Do you not see how many of these new right-leaning YouTubers—who are otherwise just regular gamers—come from the same background of being targeted by the “woke” cancel culture associated with the left? That experience pushes them toward radicalization: it drives them to the right and makes them attack anything connected to the woke/left, often out of sheer spite. I’m fairly certain most of them aren’t racists at all; they simply want to strike back at the woke as a form of vengeance.
Maybe this will be a good place to start.
Anti-porn legislation is a decidedly right wing thing. You can see this with the laws that effectively blocked pornhub. The one I linked to includes written erotica, and non-sexual representations of lgbtqia+.
Blocking porn (or erotica in general), is a very religious right action. Associating lgbtqia+ with porn is also very much right-wing.
I don’t know where youre getting the idea that religious groups are pushing left wing ideals and are therefore secretly left wing groups. Collective Shout, for example, is pretending to be a left wing group (describing themselves as “a grassroots movement against the objectification of women and sexualisation of girls in media, advertising and popular culture.”), when in reality, they are tied to hard right christian groups and conservative think tanks. The opposite of what you’re suggesting.
You’ll often see these sort of right wing groups cover their religious based anti-porn stance by wrapping it in “Protecting the children”, which will then be used as an excuse to try and prevent everything from drag shows to erotic games like visual novels. This is not “woke”.
Now that isnt to say there aren’t leftists with an issue here as well. There are leftists who are anti-porn. Usually though, those will be against the porn industry, and will say all porn is exploitation in some form. They won’t associate gender identity or sexual identity with erotic content though, which is (usually) a good indicator of where a group or person is landing on a political spectrum. These folks are also not that common, more often you’d see the criticism limited to the porn industries where women are often taken advantage of, and the consent given is a bit more dubious.
You may also see it with leftists and specific genres of gaming, where there may be depictions of rape, especially if its shown without a narrative reason for it to exist or where its not considered wrong to have done so.
I hope you take this comment as an opportunity to understand where others are coming from, to evaluate where youre getting your information from, and maybe, just maybe, reevaluate your reactions to what others are saying.
I was replying to a specific part of that persons comment.
That said, your comments about “the left” elsewhere are also actually about the religious right.
Dude.
You have a definition of “the left” (and, tbc, “the right”) thats so far abstracted from reality that I don’t know where to begin. I wish I could be the person here who could help clarify things for you, but I’m not.
As I said, its my opinion that you deserved it in terms of the mod actions, and I gave my reasons. Many others shared the same opinion.
Maybe instead of lashing out at me you could consider why so many folks are disagreeing with your take, and start there.
So do you think the OP here, using ablesism, insulting everyone who disagrees with them, and being blatantly incorrect about things easily proven wrong, was being kind?
If that’s being nice and civil, then I hate to see what you consider rude.
Why though? Because of slightly humorous wording? And how context matters? Or do you mean that posting anything critical of the left (even if it is also critical of the right for the same reasons) to
lemmy.worldmight be considered as a “troll looking to start something”?this is your brain on asmongold
None of that came across humorous in the slightest
A bunch of racists were mad about a game featuring Africans, and you immediately compare it to being mad about “sexy women”.
Right wing talking points from the r/KIA days isn’t really being critical of “the left”
Entirely different reason, racism
Yeah, your comment absolutely reads like a troll.
I’m talking about my reasons, not their. For me it’s all about both sides trying to censor or cancel content I might potentially be interested in. If we’re being honest, for me sexual content censorship is more impactful, and for this game I join to criticize the right simply because of solidarity, but I don’t really want to play this particular game. Right wing shit doesn’t hit me personally at all because I’m white and cisgender. Left wing shit hits me heavily all the time. But I still speak against both. If I was 100% egoist I would only speak against left wing stuff because it’s what causes me personally any discomfort at all.
All of which marks no change in my opinion on your comment in context and its removal, regardless of my opinions on your personal take on things.
Edit: just to say, your other comments just confirm for me what I suspected was the case, so I’m just going to note that I stand by YDI and thats the last I have to say on this.