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Me, a Debian user: “Wow, been 5 years already? Cool beans”
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The Mac one could be a lot more realistic:
“Mac OS Yellowstone is available for your Mac, and will update tonight.”
“Mac OS did not update last night because you left some windows open.”
“Mac OS will update tonight, but you must enter your fingerprint and password to make it happen.”
“Mac OS did not update last night because you didn’t enter your password again at 2AM and we weren’t sure if you really meant it”
“Mac OS did not update last night because the vibes were off.”
You’re right; also realistic would be the Mac user who simply refuses to reboot their Mac at any time ever.
Depends on distro, snapshotting and if it’s a immutable distro.
Though Windows users should be worrying more, they don’t have backups and have silently activated bitlocker but ignorance of that is bliss.
Mac user don’t have to worry in my experience.
Very true. I switched to Fedora Atomic Budgie recently, and I haven’t looked back. Windows and Mac users do get some limited cloud storage to back up their personal data for free, but they have to set it up and accept MS and Apple’s EULAs which is a whole ball of snakes on its own.
Rstrui - sorry no snapshots.
One of the Top Ten betrayals!
Linux update is more like… “uh oh, please don’t break anything, I just got my graphics drivers working last week.”
This take is based on a true story.
Says the NVidia user.
Yeah that is me 😢 it’s not a fun existence, bought my laptop when I still used windows and don’t have the money to get one without Nvidia GPU. It is working (right now), but I just got over having to nuke my install because trying to fix issues with it recently caused issues with other drivers for some reason.
Meanwhile in windows: doo doo doo… continues to game…
i spent waaaaaay more time fiddling around with drivers on windows than on linux.
in fact, it’s exactly infinitely more, because I’ve spent exactly ZERO seconds on any drivers on linux since switching to bazzite last year.
the amount of driver bullshit, the bullshit permissions shenanigans for modding, and just all around bullshit i had to deal with under windows has just, *poof!*, evaporated under linux!
shit actually just does exactly what you tell it to do!
no weird black magic running in the background that nobody’s entirely sure about how it works, no bullshit UAC child controls, no bullshit updates and anti-features you don’t want and never agreed to, no bullshit up-sells, no ads!
it’s fucking magical compared to windows! <3
P.S.:
although, i do use an AMD gpu…
…BUT i did recently plug a 3080 i got for cheap into my weekend rig at my parents’ place and that also just worked without any configuration required sooo…maybe bazzite is just better about Nvidia drivers than most distros? who knows, who cares, it just works!
Driver permissions ……in windows? What on are you talking about?
I use both Linux and windows. I’m confused what it is you’re doing exactly to have so many issues.
it’s a list, hence the comma separation.
this is standard grammar.
edit: also: modding games, mostly. plenty of tinkering around that needs a bunch of programs windows doesn’t like for various reasons. simple things like windows automatically inheriting permissions onto a drive that shouldn’t inherit any (and hasn’t actually inherited any at root level, so where the fuck did it get even get those from??), randomly changing access for nebulous reasons… there’s just sooo much nonsense to deal with under windows that i haven’t encountered even once under linux.
sure, I’ve had permissions issues, but at least those where my own fault! and fixing them was easy, transparent, and never reverted again for no reason.
i honestly no longer care to find out why windows was misbehaving (wasn’t malware, of that I’m sure. kept happening even on entirely new hardware), because I’ve just left that mess behind, and I’m never going back.
way, way better this way!
When I bought my last laptop I specifically looked for alternatives to Nvidia. If you want a dGPU on a laptop, there’s almost nothing else than Nvidia.
There were like 4 laptops with AMD dGPU. All of them were priced about 2x what a comparable Nvidia laptop was priced and pretty much all of them have terrible ratings due to being made by Acer.
The only other option is Framework, and they want 3x what the Nvidia 4070 laptop cost that I ended up getting.
Can anyone share the state of modern Nvidia cards on linux nowadays? I was looking into building a more modern gaming/rendering rig and AMD GPUs are way more expensive than Nvidia here. Reddit provides contradictory information.
Ideally I’m interested in how well the 5000 series works on Wayland setups in normal distros like debian.
In general, mine work fine. Sometimes Linux won’t switch between my CPU and GPU for graphical rendering when I start a game. Seems to be sporadic and changes whenever I update Linux. In general, I just force the GPU to render all graphics as a workaround, but that wouldn’t do well for the battery on a laptop. I also think it’s something my distro doesn’t handle well, but others do better.
I am able to get mine running on Kubuntu. I have a Lenovo legion s7 slim laptop with a mobile 3060 GPU. I would not choose Nvidia if I could (can’t afford to replace my laptop), but it is possible in theory to get them working, just finicky. From my understanding it has become a lot better in recent history though. Nvidia says the latest drivers (I think the version is like 580) is compatible with pretty much all modern Nividia GPUs (so like 3xxx series and up).
That is the same with nvidia drivers on windows nowadays. They keep pushing updates that just break shit.
Ok so I’m not alone. I’m currently watching my Ubuntu burn to the ground :(
Nope. Had my games constantly crash my PC after an update. Had to ddu the whole thing and go back to a known working driver from a month ago. Not updating that shit anymore unless strictly required
When I got the latest kernel on my Arch laptop, the touchpad didn’t work for a month (luckily it was fixed by installing the LTS kernel)
But I like to stay on the bleeding edge, otherwise I would have chosen Debian
That’s true for any update though.
it is probably me only ever using igpus but the linux graphics stack never broke on me, always worked flawless. nvidia users in the other hand, have the opposite experience
Isn’t it more like “I haven’t updated in a while, let’s see what’s new”?
Then I hope it doesn’t break stuff.
To quote Marco Pierre White “Its your choice.”
Mac OS updates are free
Until you need to buy a new mac cause your is not being updated anymore?
Maybe this meme is from the times they weren’t?
There wasn’t a time, at least since the invention of memes.
MacOS updates became free in 2012, the word “meme” is from 1972.
The word meme originated with Richard Dawkins’ 1976 book The Selfish Gene.
Thanks for making me look it up. I only heard about the book/concept in the 90’s.
Interesting. Wikipedia “meme” article says it originated from the book in 1976 while “internet meme” says it’s from 1972.
Well spotted. The latter entry has no references so I corrected it. Now both say 1976. The world is now 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001% better informed.
memes predate time
Also Linux: oh good. Maybe it’ll fix this issue so I don’t have to lol
macOS updates haven’t cost money since 2009
Except they are tied to hardware so eventually you get no updates at all
But… They did?! (Never had a mac)
No, major OS releases used to cost money for a license. The same way a Windows 11 license costs money. Apple stopped charging for OS releases but Microsoft still does.
But Lemmy assured me that Apple is BAD!
MacOS never had licenses, owning a mac was the license because you couldn’t run it on non-apple hardware* until they switched to Intel. I got OS8 from a copy of MacAddict.
* not counting Gil Amelio’s ill-fated hardware mac clone program
I have a vague memory of spending $30 for an upgrade to MacOS more than a decade ago. Then Apple stopped charging for them. So, this comic is pretty off base, but people love to bitch, so what can you do.
Yeah, the last time they charged was Snow Leopard in 2009. Everything has all been free since. Snow Leopard was really a dream to use, though. If paying $30 would get us back to that kind of luxury, I would gladly pay for the privilege.
Every 10.x version of OS X cost money up through 10.6, just like how every version of Windows has cost money unless you use one of the keygens Microsoft doesn’t care about.
7.1 was the first MacOS that apple charged for, nominally to cover the cost of the CDs. 7.1, 7.5 and 7.6 all cost $29, but you could get free installers from many of the Mac magazines.
8.0, 8.5 and 9.0 were $99
10.0 was $129
10.1 was free, but a lot of stores charged a handling fee. I remember picking up my copy from CompUSA for ten cents.
10.2 - 10.5 were $130 upgrades, but there were numerous ways to get it for free. I don’t think I ever actually paid for any of them.
10.6 and 10.7 were both $30
10.8 was $20
10.9 and later were all free
They used to charge for the OS, which was changed/updated every
year2 years to a new version. I remember prices around 20-30, so it was still cheaper than windowsAnd that $30 was largely for the physical media, in a time before broadband distribution. Apple never had license keys, if you owned a mac you were licensed.
It wasn’t updated every year. Major paid versions came out every 2 years or so. They became free when they started updating major versions annually
Thanks, I didn’t remember exactly
Yeah, the first Mac I bought I only ever bought Snow Leopard as an upgrade, skipped other versions and then upgraded to Mountain Lion or whatever was the first free version. That’s basically 30ish spent over the entire almost 20 years I’ve been using Macs on actual software.
The comic is kind of dumb because it’s Microsoft who’ve typically made tons of money on software licenses, everyone knows that Apple makes their money on hardware.
Oh God yes. I used a Mac for work back in the day and it seriously had everything it needed to get me to dump all other operating systems (it was basically Unix with a cohesive user interface), but they couldn’t stop stepping on their own dicks at every turn.
First they charged constantly for minor updates by calling them major revisions. And then they would come out with software fixes to programs and call that a major update and force you to pay an upgrade fee… except that “new version” required the new OS. And once you paid to update the program and the Os, you would find that several other programs you needed no longer fucking worked because you were running a version of the os that the software didn’t support when it was built (because it didn’t exist yet). At that point you got to roll the dice and see if the company that made that software was still around and bothered to update their software.
I loved that it never suffered from bit-rot like MS, but once you got a work flow working on it you didn’t dare ever change anything on that machine again.
That’s right, instead they moved them to service subscriptions which people pay for instead and then forget about. Evil
No. The OS license comes with the hardware that is bought. If your hardware supports the OS, you get the updates for free. There is no subscription needed to keep a Mac up to date.
I was referring to iCloud and other apple services which so apple uses instead of the is payment to make money.
And if your hardware doesn’t support it, then OCLP is your friend.
Or Mint.
Microsoft does this too.
Also Ubuntu does this now.
Yes and no.
First, because they always discontinue/remove/change APIs and stuff, apps need to be constantly updated (= pay subscription or buy new version every 2-3 years). You can’t just use something from 2008.
Second, because they set arbitrary minimum requirements, the average life of a Mac is in average 7 years from launch, then it stops getting updates.
Which means: $1200 for the laptop - $500 inflated resale value even after 7 years = $700/7 = $100 yearly “subscription” to use the latest version of MacOS
And I like Windows Updates. They do actually add new features now.
Don’t understand why updates annoy people so much. Probably because they leave their PC running for days and keep putting them off until Windows literally forces you to restart your machine. But if you’re a normal person who shuts down their PC on a regular basis, the updates literally never bother you. They quietly download in the background and then install the next time you go to shut down your machine. You don’t even have to think about it.
Edit: If ads and AI are the reason why you hate Windows updates, consider installing O&O Shut Up 10 (it works in Win11 too). Or just switch to Linux.
They annoy me because Microsoft keeps cramming their updates full of invasive spyware/adware and “ai” features that I don’t want and have to jump through hoops to disable
O&O Shut Up 10 is the solution you’re looking for. Don’t like a new feature in Windows 11? Turn it off with a toggle switch.
Also consider MSEdgeRedirect to force Windows to open everything in your default browser instead of Edge, and StartAllBack to fully restore Start Menu functionality.
Imagine having to run three separate third-party applications just to stop your OS vendor from stealing your information, selling your data to third parties, removing control of your machine, and otherwise just pissing you off.
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Imagine having to run dozens of separate modules just to get Linux to work.
It’s your OS; you’re allowed to customize it with 3rd party tools as you see fit. What a strange hill to die on.
It’s your OS; you’re allowed to customize it with 3rd party tools as you see fit.
You’re allowed to as long as you’re not violating the ToS/EULA you signed ;D
Is it really your OS if you can’t read the source?
Sounds like you’re the one dying in a hill buddy.
But if you’re a normal person who shuts down their PC on a regular basis, the updates literally *never* bother you
That’s just not true. I never had a habit of having my pc run 24/7, and windows updates bothered me immensely since win 7
Do you have a habit of closing the update notifications? The more you tell Windows Update to fuck off, the more it’ll bother you. I literally never get those notifications anymore because I stopped ignoring them. It also helps to manually set your active hours if you haven’t already.
I just don’t trust major updates not to break something (with good reasons). I have to have a working pc, so I update when I have half an hour of free time to install and roll back if need be.
Well there you go.
“there you go” as in “thank you for explaining why a forced unexpected update from your os in the middle of your work could bother you”?
you’re welcome
Look, I’m not saying I agree with it, I’m just explaining why Windows keeps bothering you, and what you need to do to stop it.
I haven’t paid attention to what changes between updates. What kind of features do they add?
Probably because they leave their PC running for days and keep putting them off until Windows literally forces you to restart
I mean, that’s a legitimate way of using your computer. I’m sure you can see how that’s incredibly annoying.
actually add new features now
After taking away many of them in the first place…
then I have to spend time undoing those shitty new bloated features, reset default applications. too much useless ai bloat too.
This keeps coming up a lot, so see my edit. There are no ads or AI in my copy of Windows 11.
I use: https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil but it’s still extra work we shouldn’t be forced to endure
also I use Linux, I just game on a windows partition
Which games?
primarily path of exile and all the accompanying third party applications that seem to only exist on windows.
It used to annoy me because it would show me screens after updating asking if I want to enable targeted ads, buy office 365 or send MS my location data.
Used to only happen after installing Windows but then then made it after every update…
Check out my response to the first person who replied to me. There is an easy fix for that.
Doesn’t annoy me any more, Windows free for two years now.
I had someone refuse to install windows updates because “spyware”, also refuses to use linux… 🧐
lol I hope they get a virus.
Wait, why are “normal” persons shutting down their computer on a regular basis? I tend to avoid shutting down because restarts are a tad tedious.
It wastes electricity and heats up your house (so the A/C runs more often). Leaving my PC running 24/7 would cost me an extra $20-30/mo, for example, mostly from the A/C running all the time to keep the office cool.
If you have a proper NVME drive, boot times are a non-issue. Even if you’re still rocking a SATA drive, there’s always Sleep mode.
Honestly, there’s no real reason to leave your PC running all the time, unless you’re mining crypto, running a server/lab, or donating processing power to university research, and electricity is free for you. But even then you should be considerate and give your parents a break on their power bill.
Thanks, I see your point. My computers are usually doing something (running servers, long-running computations, backups, downloads, etc) or they are sleeping (ie, not running up the power bill). Boot time isn’t the tedious part of restarting, it’s restoring state that isn’t saved. Anyway, I always disable auto-updates because updates change things; I want to choose when things change.
I’m surprised your PC runs hot enough to cost you so much for A/C. I doubt my computers impact my power bill very much compared to appliances, heating, charging cars, etc.
Sleep mode is a thing. My PC gulps down a massive 1.8W when napping.
I said that already.
Now they only require you to upgrade your hardware, like windows.
TBH, I say “Not again!” on Linux if it’s a kernel update, because it means I’ll have to reboot.
Sounds like Arch that seems to me to update the kernel every week.
I say “Not again” on Linux too if it’s a kernel update because anything newer than 6.10 means that sleep is broken again and I have to roll back to 6.10.
Android apps:
The free features are now removed. Watch a video before you can send texts for a week.
Similar - this free app has now been acquired by a Chinese conglomerate and will soon have micro transactions and tracking added. Also for some reason it needs all permissions now to even function.
like spotify: “listen to this ad and get 30 min ad free :D”
but then show ads again after 1 song
Huh, never had to pay for a Mac update.
That’s because Apple hasn’t charged for OSX/MacOS updates since 2013 with OSX 10.9
Edit: I also don’t think they were ever $99. I upgraded from 10.5 to 10.6 back in 2009 and I think it was only like $30, and they had to ship me a disc with the update so it’s not like they didn’t have any overhead they had to pay for
They were more expensive in the early 2000s.
See, for example, this MacRumors thread from 2003 entitled “Mac OS X 10.3 Panther. Why Is it still $129?”
Jaguar (10.2) was also $129 in 2002.
10.1 was free.
Going up from 2003,
- 10.4 Tiger was $129 in 2005
- 10.5 Leopard was $129 in 2007
- 10.6 Snow Leopard was $29 in 2009
- 10.7 Lion was $29 in 2011
- 10.8 Mountain Lion was $29 in 2012
- 10.9 Mavericks was a free update in 2013
Ah! Shoulda done more research, my bad. My first MacBook came with Leopard on it and I eventually upgraded it to Snow Leopard. I think that computer eventually died before I could upgrade it any further than that
It’s really crazy now to think I was spending $129 on OS upgrades. No wonder I waited!
I bought my first MacBook in '07, which came with Tiger installed. A couple of months later they released Leopard for £130, or free if you bought your Mac within the last month. So I contacted them and asked whether I’d had mine too long to get the free update. They said I had, but that they’d send me the disc for the cost of postage anyway.
So I paid £5 for Leopard.
And they were the first commercial OS to do so.
I recall the same, also I think the disc worked for the whole family.
The current mainline kernel hangs on my laptop when the system goes to screen off idle.
It does this on all laptops. I have three, of different brands, and they’re all affected. This issue comes and goes with updates.
all? well not on mine, using a dell inspirion 15 3520, with dsbian unstable
I have this issue on a Thinkpad X13, an Asus TUF15 and a 15 year old Clevo shitbox. It happens every single time on the Asus, but randomly on the others.
Does anyone else have the issue that after 6.10 the laptop can’t wake after sleep?
I had this issue when using hybrid sleep or sleep then hibernate, normal sleep works just fine
MacOS updates don’t cost money. They’re also completely optional (even security updates) and major OS versions introduce new features.
The comic is from 2011. The upgrade to OS X Lion, released that year, was paid originally and then made available for free.
I think this comic is more about the feeling of it. I certainly feel like my work-issued iphone gets more and more bogged-down with every major update, with less and less room for apps and media. It certainly feels like the only reason for the bloat is to goad me into buying cloud storage and/or a new model.
And just to be clear, I’m not hating on apple. Given the predatory nature of late-stage capitalism, apple is probably the least-shitty of the IT megacorps.
Calm down, Tim Apple. It’s just a meme.
More like: Your battery is too old so we’ll pre-bill you for your $99/year subscription for the privilage of installing this CPU-Throttle update that you cannot refuse to install, and battery replacement costs almost as much as a new device.
MacOS updates are free.
A battery replacement for my iPhone 14 Pro is currently £95 and a new phone would be £1099. I just tried to book for a battery replacement but it advised me not to due to health being at 80%. Now I could go and pay them but they would advise against it until the health is worse to get more value for money.
Honestly I can’t comprehend why so many people give a shit what other people choose to use.
Like live your own life, it must be exhausting to have the mentality of caring what others do. Truly boggles my mind.
I don’t give a fuck about what you choose to spend your money on, it has no bearing on my life at all.
Exactly
It is amazing how much I dread new Windows features.
I mean, I was pretty optimistic for a long time. I loved the DRM/presentation changes and hardware scheduling. I like a new task manager or finishing half-finished settings menus or little security optimizations. This was even going into Windows 11.
Now…
I know they’re not going to finish anything, like UWP or the settings menu they overhauled in Windows 8.
I know, in all likelihood, I’m not getting improvements to performance, presentation, latency, audio, resource utilization. No new filesystem or neat features…
We’re getting bloatware. Or ads. Or tracking. Or broken Copilot in yet another orifice I don’t want it in, and that’s speaking as a fervent local ML runner.
And every time it updates, I know I have to check the programs, task manager, services, and purpose made debloating programs to see what crap I have to castrate next. It’s unreal. No wonder folks are dumping it for Android/iOS.
Microsoft changes from a retail software seller to a service seller.
Windows is shit on purpose now. Before it was shit only because MS is inept.
Meh, a linux user: Nah. (there’s a major version update I’ll really have to do in the next month or two, but my setup has so many customizations that the update will probably break a couple of things that I’ll have to set up again, and I’ve been really unmotivated to do that)
Or, I really don’t want to reboot so I’ll put it off
It’s been years since I ran Linux as my DD, but the major updates seemed to break my setup pretty regularly. Audio, or USB, or sleeping when I closed the laptop lid.
I assume that isn’t the case anymore.
Well, what can I say about that except … “works for me”.
We need to find more ways to fund the lovely FOSS devs
The ways exist, but a lot of people are using FOSS for the first letter in the acronym.
